Sherwood Forester

Issue 7 - October 2004

 



Editorial Comment

Welcome to our seventh and latest edition of the 'Sherwood Forester'.  Our cover photograph of Hugh McDermott (Duncan of Stoneykirk) and Patricia Driscoll is, we believe, a publicity shot from the set at the studios during a break in filming.  Our grateful thanks go to Peter Watson who provided this photograph from his collection.  The background of the photograph gives us some idea of the size of some of the props.  But could Hugh McDermott really play the bagpipes?

In addition to some wonderful articles, this issue also includes a "press release" in respect of the planned 50th Anniversary Celebrations.


In this Issue: -
Hood Links

Steve Winders examines actors’ links between ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’ and other film and television versions of the legend.

Episode Review - The Parting Guest Lucy Carpenter continues her series of episode reviews featuring Duncan of Stoneykirk.  This is the fourth and final part.
Ladies of Sherwood Meet "The Ladies of Sherwood": Suzette, Elsbeth, Lady of Locksley and Marian.  
Trivia A nice little book "Making Things with Patricia Driscoll".
Letters To The Editors (emails to the editors) Please do not hesitate to email us at trhas@hotmail.com with your thoughts.


Hood Links
 

Steve Winders examines actors’ links between ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’ and other film and television versions of the legend.

Running to 143 episodes, ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’ employed a huge number of actors over the four series, so it is perhaps not surprising that several of them featured in other television and film versions of the ‘Robin Hood’ legend. What is more surprising is the number of regular characters from the series who have appeared in other versions and the number of leading characters from other versions who have appeared in the series.

I will start at the top with Robin Hood himself. Richard Greene reprised his role from the series in a 1960 ‘Hammer’ film ‘Sword of Sherwood Forest’. This film avoided using any other leading actors from the series, thus avoiding having to pay royalties to ‘Sapphire Productions’, but it nevertheless managed to include four other actors who had played minor roles in the series. Two of them played important roles in the film. These were Nigel Green, who played Little John and Richard Pasco, who played the Earl of Newark, one of the leading villains. Nigel Green had played a small part in the episode “The Impostors” in the second series. Richard Pasco appeared in two roles in the second series, as De Vere in the episode “Hubert” and as Rufus in “Outlaw Money” and made one appearance in the third series, as Sir Laurence in “The Quickness of the Hand”. The two other actors who appeared in the film were Desmond Llewellyn, who played the wounded fugitive rescued by Robin who sets the plot of the film in motion and Brian Rawlinson, who played a falconer. Llewellyn had played a character called ‘Two Fingers’ in an episode of the third series called “Little Mother” and Rawlinson played a character called 'Martin' in the episode “The Debt”, in the fourth series. The film was directed by Terence Fisher, who had directed ten episodes of the series and two of its producers were Richard Greene and Sidney Cole, who had been associate producer of the series.

Apart from Richard Greene, the series also featured two other actors who played Robin Hood in other productions! The first was Patrick Troughton, who had played television’s very first Robin in a B.B.C. serial in 1953. Troughton played many parts in the second, third and fourth series of ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’. The other actor to play Robin was Ronald Howard, who played Will Scarlett in two episodes of the first series. He played Robin in an episode of the 1962 British television series ‘Richard the Lionheart’, produced by the Danziger Brothers.  

Moving down the cast of ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’, Archie Duncan, who played Little John had previously appeared as the villainous ‘Red Gill’ in Walt Disney’s 1952 film ‘The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men’, starring Richard Todd as Robin. This film also featured Hubert Gregg as Prince John and Patrick Barr as King Richard. Both these actors reprised their roles in ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’. Barr appeared as Richard twice in the first series and Gregg made two appearances as Prince John in the third series. Two other actors from the Disney film appeared in ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’. One was James Hayter, who played Tom the Miller in two episodes of the second series. He played the important role of Friar Tuck in the film and again played Tuck in Hammer’s 1967 film ‘A Challenge For Robin Hood’. The other was Bill Owen, who played Mark in an episode called “The Hero” in the second series. He played Stutely, one of Robin’s men in the 1952 film.  

 

Archie Duncan as Red Gill

John Arnatt and Patricia Driscoll in a scene from The Champion

Hammer’s ‘A Challenge For Robin Hood’ starred Barrie Ingham as Robin. It featured John Arnatt, who had played the devious Deputy Sheriff of Nottingham in the final series of ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’. Arnatt was promoted to Sheriff for this film! Alfie Bass, who played ‘Edgar’, in early episodes of the first series and Lepidus the alchemist, in two episodes of the second, made a cameo appearance in ‘A Challenge For Robin Hood’ as a pie seller.    

As well as ‘The Sword of Sherwood Forest’ and ‘A Challenge For Robin Hood’, Hammer also produced ‘Men of Sherwood Forest’ in 1954, starring Don Taylor as Robin. In this film were Douglas Wilmer as Sir Nigel Saltire and Leonard Sachs as the Sheriff of Nottingham. Wilmer later played Sir Germaine in Friar Tuck's introductory episode and Sachs played the dishonest miser in “Outlaw Money” in the second series. Finally, ‘Men of Sherwood Forest’ also included Bernard Bresslaw in a small role as one of the outlaws. He played Sir Dunstan’s captain in “The Black Patch”, an episode of the second series.

The 1945 Hollywood film ‘The Bandit of Sherwood Forest’, starring Cornel Wilde, was about the son of Robin Hood. It featured Jill Esmond as Queen Eleanor, a role she would again play in two episodes of ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’. A British film of 1959 was called ‘Son of Robin Hood’, although it was actually about his daughter! Starring June Laverick, the film included Humphrey Lestocq as Blunt. Lestocq appeared in two episodes of the final series, as Sir Gerald in “A Touch of Fever” and as Lord Orford in “Hostage For a Hangman”.

For our final link we must go right back to Warner Brothers’ classic 1938 film ‘The Adventures of Robin Hood’, starring Errol Flynn as Robin. This film included Ian Hunter as King Richard. Hunter later played Sir Richard of the Lea, a friend of Robin in six episodes of the series.   

Steve Winders

 


 
Episode Review - The Parting Guest
 

The Cast:

Hugh McDermott – Duncan of Stoneykirk

Ellen McIntosh - Jessie

 

Screenplay - Louis Marks

Director - Terry Bishop

Duncan of Stoneykirk - the name resonates chaos in Sherwood Forest, and for Will and Derwent, who are returning from a scouting trip, a feeling of dread at the prospect of the unwanted guest who has once again made his presence felt in Sherwood Forest.

It’s all in the timing when executing humor, and Will Scarlet has great timing – when Will and Derwent spot “Duncan” sitting by the water, they decide to have a little fun at his expense.  Will sneaks up from behind and pushes “Duncan” into the water, and then reacts with horror when he realizes it’s not Duncan, and immediately jumps in to rescue the “lassie” he so rudely shoved in the water.  To his amazement he discovers that the “lassie” is “ Duncan’s Lassie”, Jessie, who has arrived from the Highlands in search of Duncan.  Will and Derwent are delighted to escort Jessie to camp, hoping she will entice Duncan out of Sherwood and back to the Highlands.

“A gift from Heaven”, is Little John’s exclamation of Jessie – but from the expression on Duncan’s face at finding that Jessie has surfaced in Sherwood, he’s not viewing a “gift” but a nightmare. 

Just when Robin thinks his “problem” will be heading with his “own true love” back to Scotland, reality is about to set in when the “nightmare” and his “lassie” appear to be settling into Sherwood and now the “sparks” will fly as Marian comes to visit….

When Marian arrives for a visit and Jessie catches the “spark” in Duncan’s eyes as he looks at Marian, a whole new perspective is about to emerge and a battleground is about to be set.  Now, we must remember that these are the Adventures of Robin Hood, and our able and skillful hero is fearless in battle, be it with sword or longbow.  He’s fought in the Crusades, he fights tyranny and treachery, but he now finds himself in a different kind of battle.  And the tone of the battle has been set by Will, advising Robin to make both Duncan and Marian jealous, pay attention to Jessie and the battle will be won – Duncan will take his lassie back to Scotland and Robin will have his “lassie” back.

Unfortunately for Robin, Will’s advice doesn’t seem to be going the way it was planned and sparks (or should I say punches) do fly, not between Robin and Duncan, but between Marian and Jessie, which is a signal that each girl really does know who their “own true love” is.  Robin intercedes in the fight and a new battle plan is born.  The only real way to Duncan’s heart is with money and wager is set – Marian and Jessie are to have a shooting competition. Duncan is counting the 5 crown wager in his head as he is backing Marian, and Robin – who has been coaxing Jessie on how to shoot a longbow – is backing Jessie.  Now Robin’s honesty has never come into question – but when dealing with a rogue such as Duncan there are certain liberties that have to be taken – and Robin takes one by “fixing” the flight of an arrow.  Marian’s skillful eye realizes the flight is crooked and Robin is “caught” – their eyes meet and Robin is “stricken” by what he perceives as the “hurt” in Marian’s eyes.  The clever lady that Marian is, she “loses” the competition and before the “goodbyes” could be said Duncan is whisking Jessie and “his winnings” back to the Highlands.  Sheepishly Robin approaches Marian and expresses sympathy for what has taken place, apologizes for attempting to trick her.  Marian just smiles and confesses that she “lost” on purpose, that she knew there was a “reason” behind Robin’s actions.  Indeed Robin had “his own true love” back…

How much fun has this been, not for our “favorite” outlaws, but for the viewers! It was very entertaining, and I hope everyone has enjoyed “The Scottish Episodes”.  And if you haven’t viewed them all – take the time. The episodes have everything in them, suspense, intrigue, deceit, greed and love, but not necessarily in that order.  We must now say good-bye to Duncan as he takes Jessie and his bagpipes back to Scotland to continue the “good fight” in the Highlands, and hopefully he has gained some wisdom from time spent with Robin…

Lucy Carpenter

 

 

Dear Readers, we would like to introduce ourselves: we are the Ladies of Sherwood; we go by the pen names Suzette, Elsbeth, Lady of Locksley and Marian.  We became acquainted - and became friends - through the Robin Hood Appreciation Society.  We have been viewing the episodes in their original order and each week we have a discussion, expressing our thoughts, observations, memories of the episodes that we viewed as children, and reflecting on these timeless stories, the wonderfully talented and creative writers, the very talented group of actors who helped to bring these stories to life, but most of all our hero – Richard Greene, the talented and skilled actor who became the  “definitive” Robin Hood for a whole generation of fans.  We hope you will enjoy our exchanges.

The first episode, “The Coming of Robin Hood”, was the most pivotal - it defined who Robin of Locksley was, and now we shall see how he became “Robin Hood”…

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Suzette: I saw” The Coming” for the first time only about a year ago, but I always knew that Robin came back from the crusade (from “The Crusaders”, of course).  And as long as I can remember, his “secret past” fascinated me.  I tried to imagine what it was like, and what he looked like as a knight… The opening scene is the timeless “desert warrior” image – whoever thought of the idea for that scene, was a genius!  Have you noticed that no other returning crusader looked like that, and there are quite a few of them in “The Adventures”?  And have you noticed that we never saw that cloak again? 

The dialogue in “The Coming” is very interesting – the conversation with Martha and Tom.  It could reveal something of Robin’s “mysterious past”.  Have you ever wondered why the pilgrim was sent to look for him?  (“You came back!  The pilgrim found you!”)  It could mean that there was no news of him, and no one knew where he was.  Or perhaps the pilgrim was sent to deliver some important news to Robin?  What was it?

And another thing: when he said:  “At the very gates of Jerusalem; but it was months before I could start home” – have you ever asked yourselves, why months?  There are no “right” answers, of course, but I’m interested to know if your answers are the same as mine...

Marian: I saw  “The Coming” about a year ago for the first time and re-watched it over the weekend.  The dramatic scene of him in the cloak, and you only see his gorgeous eyes - I found it amazing; the eyes just set the tone…  I also felt badly that he didn't take the painting of his father – especially where he said you could see the resemblance.  I wished we had a better view of the painting, and that we knew more about his past. I got the impression that he was indeed tired of war and killing and just wanted to be home.

Elsbeth: I saw “The Coming” when I was a kid, and then again back in the 80’s when I first bought a VCR.  I never thought much about the Crusades or Robin taking part in them.  I always picture him in the forest on a sunny day with birds singing.  I guess I have a totally different picture of him than everyone else does.

Just like Marian, I wonder about the painting too.  It looks like a man on horseback, and it’s a shame if it was burned.  I thought the message the pilgrim was sent to give Robin was that his father had died.

My favorite part was when Robin took the time to help Edgar, even though he had enough problems of his own.  Even before he became the outlaw he was helping people.

Ring Lardner said he chose this series so he could satirize America during Eisenhower’s era, which is interesting.  Does Lardner think of himself as Robin and the outlaws as the blacklisted writers?  It’s another way of looking at everything.

Lady of Locksley: I too loved the opening of “The Coming”.  When Robin is first glimpsed wearing his hood and the cloak wrapped around him, all you really see is those eyes.  Very dramatic too, like the clouds parting and the moon shining through.  I also loved the short scene where he is on horseback riding by the river.

So why was that pilgrim sent to find Robin?  I wonder if it was to tell him what was happening at home.  How the Sheriff had “stolen” his lands.  What did take him so long to return?

Why were only a few members of the cast named?  Other characters were Lady de Lisle, Hubert (Sir Roger’s servant), William (the bowman) and Will (the outlaw).

Suzette: Back to Robin of Locksley the knight.  Elsbeth, your answer to my first question is the same as mine - the message the pilgrim delivered was that Sir Edward had died.  If that were the news he received, wouldn’t King Richard let him go home?  What was so important that delayed him for months?  I have a strong suspicion that things were really bad for poor Robin of Locksley…. And I had that suspicious long before I saw “The Coming” – many years before… It’s impossible to explain why.  I think he made an impression (on me, at least) of someone who has experienced a lot, and knows more than he ever tells anyone.  What I’d like to know, and I hope you can tell me – is there something in it, or was it just my imagination?

Marian: No Suzette, I don’t think it was your imagination – Robin was very weary from war and what he saw, but kept it inside – maybe one day he shared it with Marian.  I can’t imagine having spent four years fighting in the Crusades to come to find you have no home and to have to continue to fight for survival….

Now, dear Ladies, we will all watch “The Moneylender” and see how Robin Hood became the leader of the outlaws…

Suzette: Forgive me, but before we go on to “The Moneylender”, I just have a few more things to say.  “The Coming” is a very important episode!

About Robin’s past, and why he didn’t go home for months – well, he could have been on a special mission for King Richard…  There is one more possibility, and that’s the one I imagined. And I think he told us about it himself.  Let’s go back to “The Coming”, to the feast at the manor house.  Sir Roger de Lisle says, “Robin of Locksley is dead, and I’ve got a paper to prove it.”  At that moment Robin comes in, strides across the hall, and says, “And I’ve come to disprove it, my lord.”  What did he say next?

Marian: ”It’s true I’ve been wounded in the service of the King” - those were the next words.  So it was most likely his wounds that kept him from returning home immediately.  One thing that puzzled me was why he didn’t show Sir Roger de Lisle the document from King Richard, when Sir Roger said he had a paper which stated that Robin of Locksley was dead?

Yes, Suzette, I totally agree with you, “The Coming” is the most important of all the episodes.  It sets the tone of what Robin of Locksley/Robin Hood was all about - the man, the warrior, the human being; his strengths, his loyalties, his kindness, his honesty.  If you don’t view “The Coming”, you don’t truly understand the man and all he was trying to achieve.  The legend was “he robbed from the rich and gave to the poor”, but he represented so much more; I think he represented what people should be – he cared about his fellow man and he fought injustice.  He fought beside a legendary King, but he could walk with the ordinary people.

The dark atmosphere was a reflection of what was happening, a very dark time.

Suzette: Our Robin was very different from all the other Robin Hood characters, in all the other films.  The script writers deserve praise for that, but, of course, it wouldn’t be the same without Richard.  It was his acting ability and his personality that turned Robin Hood, the legendary hero, into a very real person.

And not just the weary warrior, either.  I think we all remember him the way Elsbeth does – “in the forest on a sunny day, with birds singing’; we remember that smile, the warmth, humour, exuberant energy…. But somehow he managed to convey the impression of “hidden depths” of emotion, experience… Yes, those eyes…


Trivia
Picked this nice little book off the Internet.  Postage cost me more than the book (priced at a £1).  Can anybody remember making a "Whirligig", "Paper Dancing Dolls" and "Matchbox Furniture"?  Now where is that fairy liquid bottle!

 


Letters To The Editors

 

I grew up with this show and loved every minute of it.  Congratulations on your excellent web site and on-line magazine!

Dr Russell Dean

 

I've been a fan of Robin Hood since I was a child.  The episodes re-ran in my area in the mid-late '80s and I believe I saw every one at least twice!!  I haven't gotten the full collection on DVD - yet, but plan to.  It is nice to see a group like this one dedicated to Robin Hood.

I'm ashamed to admit my lineage dates back to Prince John but am related through a bastard son.  Perhaps he was sympathetic to Robin's cause.  I'm fascinated by the entire legend and hope one day to visit Sherwood Forest myself.

Thanks for providing this online.

Ellen Figura

Are you aware that Archie Duncan played the part of 'Ironhook' in episodes 3 and 4 of the 1965 BBC serialisation of "Hereward the Wake"? The serial ran to 16 episodes and was screened from Sunday 12-09-65 until 26-12-65. The late Alfred Lynch played the part of Hereward, a latter day Robin Hood, and in it he crossed swords with Archie Duncan.

David Moore's website concerning 'Saving our lost Heritage' is all about interesting facts which are little known about vintage tv in all its many forms. It so happens that a party was organised on 10-12-58 at the High Pine Club by Mr and Mrs Fisher of Sapphire Films and Richard Greene. It was a farewell buffet with an orchestra for dancing. Among those attending were Patricia Driscoll and her husband, Duncan Lamont, both Sheriffs, Archie Duncan, Alexander Gauge, and many others. Apparently it went well. His website is http://www.78rpm.co.uk/tv.htm.  Click onto the historical tv option or Robin Hood at the top of the page and it takes you there.

Peter Watson. 

It never ceases to amaze me what's to be found on the net.

In the '50s, myself, my sister & my cousin never missed an episode. I never could understand all the fuss about Errol Flynn - to me the real Robin Hood was & always will be Richard Greene.

In 1955, we went on holiday to Atherfield Bay holiday camp on the Isle of Wight, my hair was greased with a fine firm side parting & I sang in public 'The Robin Hood theme!'

Years later, amidst true Folk-song on Morris tours, pubs & the like, chirping up with the old theme + the two verses still gets the old boys (&girls) singing!!  (Loved the Weetabix advert!!)  Super site - duly bookmarked!

Ted Smith

 

Another great issue as usual. I particularly enjoyed Steve Winders' Forgotten Robin Hoods. However, the Martin Potter Robin Hood isn't quite as forgotten as he might think. True, I get far more e-mail about 'Robin of Sherwood' than anything other film or TV version. However, over the years, several people have sent me e-mail expressing their fondness for the series. Mostly these correspondents have been Americans who saw "The Legend of Robin Hood" on PBS as part of "Once Upon a Classic" or on A&E under the "Family Classics" banner.

All I have is a hazy, multi-generation copy of the first two-thirds or so of it. (If anyone is willing to dub me the remaining episodes, I'd be grateful.)

Although he doesn't mention it as much in discussing why the series isn't as fondly remembered, Steve Winders does make an important point earlier about the lack of humour. I think it is a vital element of the legend. One can see "Wolfshead" aka "The Legend of Robin Hood" aka "The Legend of Young Robin Hood" lacks even more humour than the Potter version, and it suffers for it.

In a 1972/3 TV interview, Patrick Troughton talks about how one time the Sherwood Forest backdrop was inserted in the wrong way. So, on live television, the viewers could see trees pointing sideways. And at least the actors could hear the set dressers yelling at each other. This interview is included on the Doctor Who: The Three Doctors DVD.

Allen Wright

www.boldoutlaw.com

 

I read your interesting website about the tv series "The Adventures of Robin Hood", starring Richard Greene. I remember this series from the 1950's very well, along with that of "William Tell" (Conrad Philips), and "The Buccaneers" (Robert Shaw). My late father was a radio & television engineer in the 1950's/early 1960's, and I was raised on these early television programmes. My website, www.mikesradio.freeservers.com is about my childhood, and how I was raised on vintage radio & tv. It is also a technical site.

Did you know that the legendary music producer Joe Meek engineered the sound effects on the television series "The Adventures of Robin Hood", when Richard Greene shot the arrow in to the fake oak tree in the? Joe liked to create sound effects (much to the dislike of other studio technicians of the day!). I believe that he did the effects on the series using reverberation springs (he liked to use garden gate springs to act as reverb springs, so I was once informed). This sound effect really impressed me as a young lad.

Joe went on to have his own sound recording studio, and to record such hits as "Johnny remember me" by John Leyton (1961), "Telstar" by The Tornados (1962), "Have I the right" by The Honeycombs" (1964). Telstar went on to be the first record by a U.K band to reach number one in the U.S.A & 17 countries worldwide - quite a feat! Unfortunately, the group's tour of the U.S was cancelled due to management disputes, and then the Beatles arrival seemed to null everything that preceded them (a great shame). Joe Meek also faced jealousy from rivals about his sublime sound effects and recording techniques. He died tragically in February 1967.  Gary Miller's recording of the theme tune, Robin Hood can be heard on the CD Joe Meek, The Early Years. There is a fanclub for Joe Meek, and various websites for this forgotten genius of sound recording!

Mike Horne

 

I love your site. Thank you ever so much for all the hard work put into creating it.

Jonathan Cooper


That's All Folks
 

A big thank you to all those who continue to support us with their articles, emails, letters and all manner of cuttings.  It is all very much appreciated.  The next issue of the magazine will be available in time for a Christmas holiday read.  On a final note Anna and I have the following "press release" :-

50th Anniversary Celebrations – The story so far

And what a story, both Anna and I do apologise for the delay in announcing the details but!

Well, having looked at all the responses and our initial plan we quite quickly realised that we had a near impossible task to get the whole event off the ground.  In addition we have recently had correspondence with Patricia Driscoll and Walter Schneiderman.  No need to state who Patricia is, but one or two of you may not know that Walter was the Make Up Supervisor on the series.  Have a quick check on IMDb; Walter has had a fantastic career working behind the scenes on many great films.  Both have shown an interest in attending, and have provisionally confirmed.

Additionally we are discovering new information on location shooting in the Walton-on-Thames/Wisley area.

As the majority of you wanted to visit locations and meet those who were involved in the series, we plan to change the location of the event, which will still happen over the weekend of the 24th/25th September 2005 in the Walton-on-Thames/Wisley area.

Items that we hope to include in the programme are: -

1.                  Banquet and meet the guests (we are still looking to add to the list).

2.                  Memorabilia Display.

3.                  Quiz.

4.                  Show selected episodes (at some stage we would like you all to vote for your top 5).

5.                  Visit to studio site.

6.                  Location visits to include Wisley Common and Ockham Mill (featured in The Haunted Mill and The Road in the Air)

7.                  Potential to have a Morris Dance display.

8.                  There is a local archery club and we will endeavour to arrange a visit and fire a modern day bow and arrow.

As you can see the programme is still very full and Wisley Common does make a very good Sherwood Forest.

Can we please ask everybody to email us at trhas@hotmail.com if you plan to attend and we will then get the detail organised and confirmed.

Best wishes

Anna and Mike